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21) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad hosts topic (Message 2288)
Posted 19 Apr 2021 by Bryn Mawr
Found a bad host: http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/show_host_detail.php?hostid=25653


Good spot, that’s as bad as they come.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : World Gene Expansion Challenge 2021 (Message 2257)
Posted 9 Mar 2021 by Bryn Mawr
It appears we cannot join this challenge as an individual?

I have tried to find my team captain and it seems there is not one anymore, cannot find any new reference documents on the groups leader....


Stage a coup and take over the team leadership yourself :-)


Wouldn't know where to start even if I could, because don't you need a password or something to take over the group's info? lol


No password, go into my account, click on your team name near the top right and then initiate a request for a team founder ship change about 2/3 of the way down that page.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : World Gene Expansion Challenge 2021 (Message 2255)
Posted 9 Mar 2021 by Bryn Mawr
It appears we cannot join this challenge as an individual?

I have tried to find my team captain and it seems there is not one anymore, cannot find any new reference documents on the groups leader....


Stage a coup and take over the team leadership yourself :-)
24) Message boards : Number crunching : World Gene Expansion Challenge 2021 (Message 2241)
Posted 7 Mar 2021 by Bryn Mawr
Magiceye04 wrote:
Will there be some WUs ready to be send tomorrow?

Maybe. But only if there are enough people who give up and stop requesting work.

The pace of TN-Grid's work generator is limited.


Aurum wrote:
Just Say No to Bunkering.
They should use the 2 WUs per CPU thread mode and we wouldn't run out.

The limit is 8 tasks in progress per active CPU AFAIK, counting up to 64 CPUs per host.
This is already a low limit.

Bunkering is not the reason for work scarcity.


I keep a very small cache and all I can say is that since the announcement of this challenge I’ve been getting very few WUs to process and even fewer of the WUs I have processed are moving out of pending - their counterparts must still be in someone’s cache waiting to run.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Badges (all of them) (Message 2226)
Posted 5 Mar 2021 by Bryn Mawr
>>> show your contribution to the project

The badges have no real meaning then. My contribution to the project can be seen anyway.


True, they have no physical function but they do have a psychological function and, once set up, take very little effort.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : FMA application for windows_x86_64 (Message 2193)
Posted 3 Feb 2021 by Bryn Mawr
The server software is supposed to try different apps to see which one is faster and more reliable. It needs at least N (don't know exactly this number, could be 10 or 20) successfully validated results for each app before it can get an APR (Average Processing Rate), this was the DCF some time ago. You can see the APR numbers for each app when you look at your computer details under your account. Its supposed to pick the fastest app and occasionally send one of the others to see how they go. (documentation about this feature is not so easy to find...)


Interesting and it does show that it works, the machine I updated the other week was almost exclusively fma (r5 2600) and has now swapped to almost exclusively avx (r7 3700x). The odd thing is that my old old machine that started as an FX8370 then inherited the r5 2600 shows it was getting sse2 ?
27) Message boards : Number crunching : FMA application for windows_x86_64 (Message 2185)
Posted 1 Feb 2021 by Bryn Mawr
In Linux, my 3900X, 3950X and Epyc 7402P settled on FMA exclusively as fastest app. Takes about two weeks trying out AVX, SSE2 and FMA before declaring a winner.


My 3600 is fma whereas my 3700x is avx so I just leave them to it :-)
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum number of download (Message 2171)
Posted 31 Dec 2020 by Bryn Mawr


Almost certainly because the work generator cannot keep up with the demand.

As I recall, flat out it can generate a few thousand work units per day. At 24/7 your 1,024 threads would process around 8,000 work units.



If i remember correctly,what Valterc said while ago, work generator speed is around 1 gene every 14 minutes
A gene is composed by 294wu (*2 replicants)
So: 1440/14= 102 genes a day. 102*294*2= 59976wu daily


@ p3d-cluster: congratulations for your army. It's impressive to se theese dual EPYC monsters


Thanks, I couldn’t remember the detailed figures :-)
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum number of download (Message 2167)
Posted 30 Dec 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Give me a ping, and we will rock it. :)
Tomorrow will be the next 256-Systeme arrive.


I’m turning green already, my 24 threads pale in comparison :-)
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum number of download (Message 2165)
Posted 30 Dec 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Could you be so kind and have a look at my system 65300, please?
Why do i get only 52 WUs with my 256 Threads?

I'vent any app_config.xml, cc_config.xml or app_info.xml.

I use the school-profil with his default-setting.

Same on system 65301, 65302 and 65303.

Only TN-Grid is running.


Almost certainly because the work generator cannot keep up with the demand.

As I recall, flat out it can generate a few thousand work units per day. At 24/7 your 1,024 threads would process around 8,000 work units.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum number of download (Message 2163)
Posted 30 Dec 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Wow, a wonder happened. The Athlon got now 7 additional WUs (for the next 20 days...).

So this means, the project needs a profile to be set for a PC and without a profile only 1 WU per Core is send out?

I think the work generator isn't keeping up with all the hosts requesting tasks? See here.


No, I have 3 PCs running and only 2 of them had the problem over the last 2 weeks, even at the time where the work generator was fine.
And the one PC where I changed the location/profile has now enough work in the buffer.


Then you need to examine your default profile very closely because it is showing non-standard behaviour
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Compiling for AVX-512 (Message 2088)
Posted 18 Nov 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Oh. I thought the WU needed to match its program since all WUs say what instruction set they're for.
gene@home PC-IM (avx)
gene@home PC-IM (fma)
gene@home PC-IM (sse2)
So why include the instruction set if the program is agnostic?


Diagnostic for troubleshooting when things go wrong.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Compiling for AVX-512 (Message 2082)
Posted 18 Nov 2020 by Bryn Mawr
FMA against AVX only provided a very small speed gain, that's one of the reasons I do not distribute FMA for Windows...

Look at the Applications page. There are many Windoze crunchers here than Linux. FMA WUs require both wingmen to be Linux users. Be more more efficient if FMA compiled for Windoze as well.


Not convinced by this statement. Almost all my WUs are fma and if I look at the wingmen the very often receive avx or sse2 equivalents - see Workunit 25706025 or 25705750 as examples.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Status - No Work Available (Message 2025)
Posted 21 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Wasting in the meaning of computing power going somehwere else (or nowhere) instead of being crunching TN-Grid because there are no Wus.

Som users may leave proyect if there is no stable WUs inflow.


No project can guarantee to have WUs all day, every day, year in year out.

I run four projects side by side for exactly this reason, recently three of those projects were out of work at the same time - so be it, I was still crunching with no wasted cycles.

TN-Grid is a small project with limited resources, expect best endeavours rather than perfection.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Waiting for Validation (Message 2005)
Posted 13 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Looking at the server status page shows that there are zero WUs waiting for validation


The number shown is the number of already received couples of WUs waiting to be validated (bitwise comparison) by the server, this process is very fast so this number is usually around zero.


It could be either way, counting pairs or counting each WU, I was hoping it was pairs which would make sense of the data available.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Waiting for Validation (Message 2003)
Posted 12 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Yes, this project requires 2 results per workunit for validation.


Thanks for the confirmation.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Waiting for Validation (Message 2001)
Posted 12 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
I have noticed a massive drop in throughput on my two main computers over the past day and it turn out to be because everything I’ve processed over the past two days is completed, waiting for validation.

Looking at the server status page shows that there are zero WUs waiting for validation.

Can I assume that my WUs are waiting for a wingman to complete processing before both are passed to the validator?
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit ? (Message 1878)
Posted 2 Jul 2020 by Bryn Mawr
Hi everyone. For a long time I stoped crunching and dont remember what my contribution might have been for this project. According to my account data I am a member since 26 Apr 2020 and have no credit. But I am inclinded to believe that I have been a member since before. BAM and Free-DC sites show no credit for me in this project, however, and this is what has lead me to write this post, in Free-DC I have the indication that I have achieved a milestone of 100.000 credits in 10-JAN-2015 in TN-Grid (see here https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=userbycpid&cpid=863520b4459fdd4ae4ec9f00eed5bf19).
Did this project end and started again, changed names, had any database problem, or ...? Is there something wrong with my account? Or am i reading the info in Free-DC incorrectly?
Thanks
candido


Are you certain that you have “rejoined” using the same e-main / username?

It sounds as though you are now on a different account.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Resource Share Problem (Message 1867)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Bryn Mawr
OK, I’m still confused but the problem has resolved itself overnight with the resource share being downloaded from TN-Grid default profile.

Why the delay I don’t know, it now updates immediately if I change it in TN-Grid and do update which it wasn’t yesterday.

Many thanks for the helpful suggestions made.




More confusion, the resource share has changed again, this time taking the value from the BAM host within project level. It would appear that sync with account manager does not update this value but the 6 hourly refresh does.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Resource Share Problem (Message 1866)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Bryn Mawr
OK, I’m still confused but the problem has resolved itself overnight with the resource share bein downloaded from TN-Grid default profile.

Why the delay I don’t know, it now updates immediately if I change it in TN-Grid and do update which it wasn’t yesterday.

Many thanks for the helpful suggestions made.


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