I have to assume that this project is defunct, shall I remove it from future consideration? Letting us know would save time needing to check over and over for no reason.

Nice. RTS tasks seem to be limited to 30000, each with a 1.6 MB input file for the client should equal ~48GB server capacity usage for these.

Can you accelerate "gene_work_generator" anyhow ?

The amount of tasks up for grabs is always zero, meaning that people have more workers than your TN-GRID servers can generate.

This is especially important now, where WCG project is down and Rosetta is out-of-work-units (again).

I have recently restartet contact with this project.
I have downloaded -
SSE2
AVX
FMA
They are equally slow.
What is the point with all these different versions ?

Where a project has a fixed limit of 600 tasks every 14 minutes and the existing volunteers process 600 tasks every 14 minutes how are you providing short term help? This is my confusion.

If a project is in a position to provide a surge of tasks to coincide with the challenge then wonderful, work gets done faster, results get back to the researchers sooner, the challenge members have fun with a ready supply of tasks and everything is hunky dory but I cannot see the benefit of this to either party.

I note your comment BUT as of now (and as the Challenge comes to an end at 9pm UTC tonight) the project has

Tasks ready to send 933
Tasks in progress 57191

so, there seems to be a significant number of available tasks now and generally speaking also most days as well - and I guess that the regular volunteers have only been inconvenienced for maybe 2 or 3 days.

And in the meantime, if every days full quota of available tasks have all been crunched then the project gains from this, surely?

regards
Tim

Where a project has a fixed limit of 600 tasks every 14 minutes and the existing volunteers process 600 tasks every 14 minutes how are you providing short term help? This is my confusion.

Because the existing volunteer pool isn't consuming the full 600 in 14 minutes is my guess as there's usually no shortage. This 'excess' is quickly eaten up with a challenge as we've seen.

If the number of volunteers grow, unless the project distributes more work, clearly there's a diminishing benefit to allowing challenges.

Why would anyone set up a challenge involving a project that is known to be borderline supplying WUs on a day to day basis?

Not only does it make the challenge a lottery, it also messes up the long term volunteers.

With respect, the Project Admin was asked, IN ADVANCE, as to whether such a Challenge could be handled by the project.

However, the admin said that the project only issues about 600 tasks every 14 minutes...

Even so, this Challenge only lasts for 3 days (until Sunday at 9pm UTC) so it is hardly a long term inconvenience AND any members doing this Challenge are supporting a "smaller" project that can do with some short term help?

regards
Tim

Tasks ready to send 0

I will be out of work in four hours.

There's a Formula BOINC challenge going on (three days) ...

Does the Work Generator need a little adjustment? I've been getting a lot of Server Aborts. It appears that shortly before the Deadline another pair of WUs is sent out to new computers then when the WUs actually get submitted before the Deadline the duplicates get Server Aborted. E.g.,
http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/workunit.php?wuid=36782082
http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/workunit.php?wuid=36765727
http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/workunit.php?wuid=36669384
Waiting until after the actual Deadline to send out replacements might be more efficient.

A good point, but FMA is working for me well enough.
It is mainly west of the Mississippi River that they have the problems.

We may need to give up the Louisiana Purchase.

I suspended all but 5 and went away. They're running much faster now. The CPU is 18c/36t so I'm going to work my way up to 18 WUs. Feels like the problem when WUs load too much into the L3 cache and choke the CPU traffic cop.

What feels so strange is that TN-Grid is the only project I'm running and yet this only affected a single computer. I sorted BoincTasks by WU name and other WUs with the same prefix on other computers are running at normal speed.

Does anyone know of a utility that monitors CPU cache utilization?

I have a slug of WUs that are going to take over 3 days to run, e.g. http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/workunit.php?wuid=35037615

My wingman completed it in a few hours as normal. It's all the WUs running on the same computer Rig-31 with a Xeon E5-2699 v3 with 4x8 GB RAM. I've rebooted and reduced the CPU utilization but that does not speed them up.

My wingman Technologov is also running Linux with an E5-2680 v4 (14c/28t) with 56 processors so must be a dual CPU server MB and 64 GB RAM.
http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/show_host_detail.php?hostid=78642

I can't see any reason for this computer to run them so slow. But, I've been running BOINC 24x7 for years and I'm literally wearing out MBs. Some ooze oil from the PWM caps or stop communicating with one or more PCIe slots. This ASRock X99 Extreme4 may be at the end of its life and ready for the scrap heap.

Penny for your thoughts if you have a suggestion as to what might be my problem. TIA

We are inmediately crunching whatever it produces

Thanks. That is what I wanted to know.

Why restrict it? Easier to let the system choose the fastest and you’ll get more work done.

Right you are, just my idiosyncrasy.

This is the way I restrict all WUs to FMA:
http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/forum_thread.php?id=304&postid=2209#2209
You need to save a copy of the FMA executable that you can copy to all your computers:
/var/lib/boinc-client/projects/gene.disi.unitn.it_test/gene_pcim_v1.10_linux64__fma
Beware that when you install this and then click "Read config files" BOINC will wipe out all your WUs in the TN-Grid project folder so you might as well Abort them first.
Also, if you're new to BOINC you may benefit from a couple of tweaks to your cc_config.xml file.
I also recommend using BoincTasks to manage so many computers.

I understand that it will recheck occasionally but I’ve never noticed it doing so on my machines.

You can see your current performanche here http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/show_host_detail.php?hostid=62240
click near by "Application details" it will show this page http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/host_app_versions.php?hostid=62240

as you can see, FMA is currently faster on your pc

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gx3j3brt3gi6oqd/TN-Grid_AVX.png?dl=0

Here I see some tasks based on SSE, others on AVX. Why this is so ?

My processors are all new ("Haswell" or newer), support SSE4.x, AVX2, and FMA.

The current server is a virtualized 4 cores AMD Opteron with 4G RAM, not that easy to run a project on it. The new one, a Xeon Gold 6238R, is here. The project should be moved this October (hopefully). This won't, however, completely solve our (slow) work generation problem, we will gain some raw speed because of the upgraded hardware but the real change will be a new optimized and parallel generator (no ETA on this...).
The AMD funding is actually free access to some big computational resources (mainly devoted to machine learning). It's is a very useful asset for our research but not related to the BOINC server.

http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/forum_thread.php?id=255&postid=1632

Ok, we don't have fancy graphs showing the workflow. The only informational page is https://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/gene_science.php, which shows some statistics about the currently running experiment.
BTW, the algorithm for generating workunits is rather complicated, i.e. it takes some time to generate a workunit and add it to the queue. With our current setup (hardware/software) we are able to create 294 workunits (588 results, because of the replication) every ~15 minutes, I let you do the math ;). This is our theoretical limit, when reached the queue will start to dry up.